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		<title>From The BBC-Kurt Westergaard: &#8216;Cartoonist Attacker In Danish Court&#8217;</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jan 2010 23:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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Kurt Westergaard, cartoonist behind the image of the prophet Mohammed with a bomb in his turban, had a visit from a Somali Muslim with an axe. Westergaard is doing well, apparently, as he retreated to a safe room specially prepared for such an incident until police arrived.  He&#8217;s been threatened many times in [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=chrisnavin.wordpress.com&blog=1212474&post=4085&subd=chrisnavin&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,536544,00.html" target="_blank">Kurt Westergaard</a>, cartoonist behind the image of the prophet Mohammed with a bomb in his turban, had a visit from a Somali Muslim with an axe. Westergaard is doing well, apparently, as he retreated to a safe room specially prepared for such an incident until police arrived.  He&#8217;s been threatened many times in the past.</p>
<p>Cartoons <a href="http://www.zombietime.com/mohammed_image_archive/jyllands-posten_cartoons/" target="_blank">here</a>. (Westergaard&#8217;s is the 2nd down, I don&#8217;t have the rights to reprint).</p>
<p><strong>Addition from the Christian Science Monitor</strong>-The same man was plotting an <a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/World/terrorism-security/2010/0103/Did-Danish-cartoonist-attacker-try-to-target-Clinton" target="_blank">attack</a> against Hilary Clinton in Kenya?</p>
<p><strong>See Also</strong>:  If you thought the cartoons were bad, more on the <a href="http://lcbackerblog.blogspot.com/2008/04/fitna-and-muslim-mind-in-egypt.html" target="_blank">Fitna movie here</a>.  Libertarians stand firm on this issue:  <a rel="bookmark" href="http://chrisnavin.wordpress.com/2008/04/15/repost-a-canadian-libertarian-making-noise-ezra-levant/">Repost-A Canadian Libertarian Making Noise: Ezra Levant</a></p>
<h4><span style="font-weight:normal;"><a rel="bookmark" href="http://chrisnavin.wordpress.com/2010/01/01/via-the-a-l-daily-interview-with-christopher-caldwell-at-spiegel-online/">Via The A &amp; L Daily-Interview With Christopher Caldwell At Spiegel Online</a> </span></h4>
<h4><a rel="bookmark" href="http://chrisnavin.wordpress.com/2009/08/18/christopher-hitchens-at-slate-yale-surrenders/"><span style="font-weight:normal;">Christopher Hitchens At Slate: Yale Surrenders</span></a></h4>
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		<description><![CDATA[Full interview here.
Caldwell raises some important points, and sheds light onto the Muslim immigration debate in Europe:
&#8220;SPIEGEL ONLINE: Is America more successful when it comes to integrating immigrants?
Caldwell: For now, yes. I think the first reason is the ruthlessness of the American economy. You either become a part of it or you go home. There [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=chrisnavin.wordpress.com&blog=1212474&post=4077&subd=chrisnavin&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
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<p>Caldwell raises some important points, and sheds light onto the Muslim immigration debate in Europe:</p>
<blockquote><p><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><strong>&#8220;SPIEGEL ONLINE: Is America more successful when it comes to integrating immigrants?</strong></span></em></p>
<p><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><strong>Caldwell: For now, yes. I think the first reason is the ruthlessness of the American economy. You either become a part of it or you go home. There are more foreigners in the workplace, and that&#8217;s where a lot of integration happens.&#8221;</strong></span></em></p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s the economy, stupid.  But we also have an immigration debate problem of our own (about which I think the Republicans have the best chance to unify now with reasonable, hands-on compassionate policies from the grass roots).  The right sees the flimsiness of overextended multi-culti ideas and overly idealistic egalitarians&#8230;but I believe also needs to avoid over-reaction (protectionism and scare-mongering) in response.</p>
<p>There are genuine immigration problems to solve and small-business growth, economic freedom and economic opportunities (and neither Bush nor Obama bloated government solutions) may be the best way to address them.  We&#8217;re Americans after all.</p>
<p>Just my two cents to avoid the pitfalls of the kind of debate they&#8217;re having in Europe.</p>
<p><strong>See Also On This Site</strong>: A review of Caldwell&#8217;s book:  <a rel="bookmark" href="http://chrisnavin.wordpress.com/2009/07/31/from-the-ny-times-review-of-christopher-caldwells-book-%e2%80%9creflections-on-the-revolution-in-europe-immigration-islam-and-the-west%e2%80%9d/">From The NY Times: Review Of Christopher Caldwell’s Book “Reflections on the Revolution in Europe: Immigration, Islam, and the West”</a></p>
<p>Are secular humanism and the kind of political freedoms we enjoy in the West <em>really</em> incompatible with Islam?:  <a rel="bookmark" href="http://chrisnavin.wordpress.com/2009/05/12/from-youtube-roger-scruton-on-religious-freedom-islam-atheism/">From YouTube: Roger Scruton On Religious Freedom, Islam &amp; Atheism</a></p>
<p>Are we becoming more like Europe, or is this too a false premise?:  <a rel="bookmark" href="http://chrisnavin.wordpress.com/2009/03/18/charles-murray-lecture-at-aei-the-happiness-of-people/">Charles Murray Lecture At AEI: The Happiness Of People</a></p>
<p>Ayan Hirsi Ali is a Muslim immigrantto Europe, who seems quite populist and anti-Islam:  <strong><a rel="bookmark" href="http://chrisnavin.wordpress.com/2009/12/06/ayan-hirsi-ali-at-the-csm-swiss-ban-on-minarets-was-a-vote-for-tolerance-and-inclusion/">Ayan Hirsi Ali At The CSM: ‘Swiss Ban On Minarets Was A Vote For Tolerance And Inclusion’</a></strong></p>
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<p>A long time ago, and not so long ago.  <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/chi-wai/" target="_blank">*chiwai*’s photostream here</a>.  Excellent photo.</p>
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Rather than see the vote as a failure to allow Muslims their religious freedoms (populist response to the immigration wave?), Hirsi Ali suggests the ban rather should be thought of, in part, as a check upon the political ambitions that stem from Islamic theology:
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<p>Rather than see the vote as a failure to allow Muslims their religious freedoms (populist response to the immigration wave?), Hirsi Ali suggests the ban rather should be thought of, in part, as a check upon the political ambitions that stem from Islamic theology:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">&#8220;Islam is an idea about how society should be organized: the individual&#8217;s relationship to the state; that the relationship between men and women; rules for the interaction between believers and unbelievers; how to enforce such rules; and why a government under Islam is better than a government founded on other ideas. These political ideas of Islam have their symbols: the minaret, the crescent; the head scarf, and the sword</span></em></strong>.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Because this fits into a view that many Europeans already have about how their own societies should be run:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">&#8220;In their response to the presence of Islam in their midst, Europeans have developed what one can discern as roughly two competing views. The first view emphasizes accuracy. Is it accurate to equate political symbols like those used by Communists and Nazis with a religious symbol like the minaret and its accessories of crescent and star.&#8221;</span></em></strong></p></blockquote>
<p>According to Ali, it&#8217;s not an attack on religion per se, but rather a workable European solution to to Islam&#8217;s inability to separate politics from religion&#8230; because (what I think is the real target here) there&#8217;s another view of Islam in Europe:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">&#8220;The second view refuses to equate political symbols of various forms of white fascism with the symbols of a religion. In this school of thought, Islamic Scripture is compared to Christian and Jewish Scripture. Those who reason from this perspective preach pragmatism. According to them, the key to the assimilation of Muslims is dialogue.&#8221;</span></em></strong></p></blockquote>
<p>and:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">&#8220;These two contrasting perspectives correspond to two quite distinct groups in Europe. The first are mainly the working class. The second are the classes that George Orwell described as &#8220;indeterminate.&#8221; Cosmopolitan in outlook, they include diplomats, businesspeople, mainstream politicians, and journalists. They are well versed in globalization and tend to focus on the international image of their respective countries.&#8221;</span></em></strong></p></blockquote>
<p>As a good American, I don&#8217;t know where I stand on day to day European politics, I&#8217;ll try and leave that to Europeans.   I have to say, though, Hirsi Ali is a pretty smooth political operator herself in a cosmopolitan, populist sort of way.</p>
<p>Are you convinced?</p>
<p><strong>Addition</strong>:  I think Hirsi Ali correctly points out how much room for improvement there is in Europe&#8217;s handling of Muslim immigration&#8230;</p>
<p><strong>See Also On This Site</strong>:  <strong><span style="font-weight:normal;"><a rel="bookmark" href="http://chrisnavin.wordpress.com/2008/01/15/ayan-hirsi-ali-in-the-ny-times-lee-harriss-the-suicide-of-reason/">Ayan Hirsi Ali in The NY Times: Lee Harris’s ‘The Suicide Of Reason’</a> <span style="font-size:13px;"><a rel="bookmark" href="http://chrisnavin.wordpress.com/2008/05/24/theodore-dalrymple-still-attacking-multi-culturalism-in-britain/">Theodore Dalrymple Still Attacking Multi-Culturalism In Britain</a> <a rel="bookmark" href="http://chrisnavin.wordpress.com/2009/05/12/from-youtube-roger-scruton-on-religious-freedom-islam-atheism/">From YouTube: Roger Scruton On Religious Freedom, Islam &amp; Atheism…</a><a rel="bookmark" href="http://chrisnavin.wordpress.com/2009/06/18/from-the-middle-east-quarterly-via-a-l-daily-europes-shifting-immigration-dynamic/">From The Middle East Quarterly Via A &amp; L Daily: Europe’s Shifting Immigration Dynamic</a></span></span></strong></p>
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There is an argument attached to the Hasan killings; namely that Hasan may have been giving signs of a belief in a more radical Islam that would conflict with his military duties (though it&#8217;s perhaps not reasonable to suspect that such extreme and violent action would ever be [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=chrisnavin.wordpress.com&blog=1212474&post=3786&subd=chrisnavin&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
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<p>There is an argument attached to the Hasan killings; namely that Hasan may have been giving signs of a belief in a more radical Islam that would conflict with his military duties (though it&#8217;s perhaps not reasonable to suspect that such extreme and violent action would ever be taken).  The argument states that an environment of fear (or oversensitivity, at least) has been created and potentially institutionalized in the military.  Such an environment (motivated by an overly pc cultural climate) might have led some who were alarmed at Hasan&#8217;s behavior to turn their heads and avoid the problem, and thus may have helped to prevent the extreme outcome.</p>
<p>As the facts are discovered, it seems Islam was likely a motivating factor in Hasan&#8217;s decision to attack soldiers who would soon deploy to fight Muslims, and it may even be that he was connected with specific groups that would support such an action.  Muslims of course, are free to practice their religion, and to follow the laws, and most do. However, there are clearly an issues of concern here for further consideration (also some on the American right which will too easily incite the passions into a mold of religious conflict for political gain&#8230;mostly thanks to Hasan).</p>
<p><strong>Addition</strong>:  Or perhaps people were monitoring him but he fell through the cracks.</p>
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<p>More broadly, a friend of mine further on the right than me is making the argument there are at least two issues:</p>
<p><strong>1</strong>.  the real threat of radical Muslims willing to attack American targets from abroad and potentially at home, in the name of their religious beliefs&#8230;and how to best handle this threat&#8230;and the underlying reasons which help to cause it.</p>
<p>&#8230;as well as:</p>
<p><strong>2</strong>.  An overly relativistic and confused set of ideas guiding the political left, which might not be deep enough to handle the type of situation that Hasan has presented us with.  In addition, such lack of depth (on full display in the Times article) forces us into more bitter partisanship, creating deeper rifts in the body politic.</p>
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<p>A few facts and a lot of generalizations&#8230;your thoughts and comments are welcome.  Here&#8217;s a quote from Simon Blackburn I put up a while ago:</p>
<blockquote><p>﻿<strong><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">&#8220;Nigel: Has relativism had its day as an influential philosophical position?</span></em></strong></p>
<p><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><strong><em>Simon: No &#8211; and I don&#8217;t think it should ever die. The danger is that it gets replaced by some kind of complacent dogmatism, which is at least equally unhealthy. The Greek sceptics thought that confronting a plurality of perspectives is the beginning of wisdom, and I think they were right. It is certainly the beginning of historiography and anthropology, and if we think, for instance, of the Copernican revolution, of self-conscious science. The trick is to benefit from an imaginative awareness of diversity, without falling into a kind of &#8220;anything goes&#8221; wishy-washy nihilism or scepticism&#8230;.&#8221;</em></strong></span></p></blockquote>
<p><strong>See Also On This Site</strong>:   <a rel="bookmark" href="http://chrisnavin.wordpress.com/2009/05/12/from-youtube-roger-scruton-on-religious-freedom-islam-atheism/">From YouTube: Roger Scruton On Religious Freedom, Islam &amp; Atheism</a>&#8230;How do you reasonably deal with relativism anyways?: <a rel="bookmark" href="http://chrisnavin.wordpress.com/2009/04/20/from-virtual-philosophy-a-brief-interview-with-simon-blackburn/">From Virtual Philosophy: A Brief Interview With Simon Blackburn</a>&#8230;<a rel="bookmark" href="http://chrisnavin.wordpress.com/2009/07/31/from-the-ny-times-review-of-christopher-caldwells-book-%e2%80%9creflections-on-the-revolution-in-europe-immigration-islam-and-the-west%e2%80%9d/">From The NY Times: Review Of Christopher Caldwell’s Book “Reflections on the Revolution in Europe: Immigration, Islam, and the West”</a></p>
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		<title>From The Washington Post:  Anne Applebaum On The Arrest Of Roman Polanski</title>
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Applebaum offers a defense of Polanski&#8217;s recent arrest in Switzerland:
&#8220;To put him on trial or keep him in jail does not serve society in general or his victim in particular. Nor does it prove the doggedness and earnestness of the American legal system.&#8221;
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<p>Applebaum offers a defense of <a href="http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/polanskia1.html" target="_blank">Polanski&#8217;s</a> recent arrest in Switzerland:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">&#8220;To put him on trial or keep him in jail does not serve society in general or his victim in particular. Nor does it prove the doggedness and earnestness of the American legal system.&#8221;</span></em></strong></p></blockquote>
<p>But it&#8217;s still morally reprehensible, and illegal, and he fled prosecution (despite the fact that he is a fine director and has already suffered).  </p>
<p>While the facts of the case are discussed, I&#8217;ll just offer a previous post I put up on Martha Nussbaum&#8217;s commentary on Eliot Spitzer&#8217;s indiscretions, because it mirrors this one is some important ways:  <a style="text-decoration:none;color:#b54141;border:1px solid white;" rel="bookmark" href="http://chrisnavin.wordpress.com/2008/04/01/martha-nussbaum-on-eliot-spitzer-at-the-atlanta-journal-constitution/">Martha Nussbaum On Eliot Spitzer At The Atlanta Journal-Constitution:</a></p>
<p><strong><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">“Spitzer’s offense was an offense against his family. It was not an offense against the public. If he broke any laws, these are laws that never should have existed and that have been repudiated by sensible nations</span></em></strong>.”</p>
<p>Quite different in many ways, of course, but Nussbaum used the Spitzer incident as a springboard to argue that the prostitution laws (which Spitzer previously helped prosecute) were Puritanistic and antiquated.   I&#8217;d simply offer that perhaps there is a kind of trans-atlantic liberalism on display here in both examples. There are deep arguments to be made of course, but there might be also be a little disingenuousness and distance from the people who make and uphold the laws here in America.</p>
<p>Perhaps if you live in Europe, and you&#8217;re American, European mores and attitudes affect your opinions quite deeply. </p>
<p><strong>Also On This Site</strong>:  Charles Murray argues we need to resist such Europeanization&#8230;though is he still bringing in politics?:  <a style="text-decoration:none;color:#b54141;border:1px solid white;" rel="bookmark" href="http://chrisnavin.wordpress.com/2009/03/18/charles-murray-lecture-at-aei-the-happiness-of-people/">Charles Murray Lecture At AEI: The Happiness Of People</a>&#8230;<a style="text-decoration:none;color:#b54141;border:1px solid white;" rel="bookmark" href="http://chrisnavin.wordpress.com/2009/05/21/from-reason-going-dutch/">From Reason: Going Dutch?</a></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Full essay here.
Fashioning a coat to fit the times?
Nussbaum may be trying to address waves of Muslim immigrants that have poured into European, and Western societies.  She also seems to be asking a central question:  How do you create a civil society that does not place religion above a concept of the moral good, yet that also does not pursue the moral [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=chrisnavin.wordpress.com&blog=1212474&post=3333&subd=chrisnavin&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
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<p>Fashioning a coat to fit the times?</p>
<p>Nussbaum may be trying to address waves of Muslim immigrants that have poured into European, and Western societies.  She also seems to be asking a central question:  How do you create a civil society that does not place religion above a concept of the moral good, yet that also does not pursue the moral good while zealously excluding religion? </p>
<p>She tells the story of <a href="http://www.constitution.org/bcp/religlib.htm" target="_blank">Roger Williams</a>, founder of Rhode Island, who held deep religious beliefs, yet, Nussbaum argues, was someone who cast his moral thinking deeper than those beliefs, drafting the Rhode Island charter on the idea <em>&#8216;individual human conscience</em>:&#8217;</p>
<p><strong><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">&#8220;Conscience, for Williams, plays the role that the directive faculty of moral choice plays in the ancient Stoic authors whom he studied: it is a faculty of searching and choosing, although for Williams it includes imagination and emotion as well as ethical reasoning. It is, Williams holds, the main source of our identity as agents: it is &#8220;indeed the man.&#8221;"</span></em></strong></p>
<p>So, WIlliams tempered his religious beliefs with classical learning and a certain political pragmatism&#8230;yet he also tempered that political pragmatism with his religious beliefs (avoiding a true, hard-hearted <a href="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/stoicism/" target="_blank">Stoicism</a>).  Nussbaum further suggests that some of Williams&#8217; thinking even pre-saged<a href="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/kant-development/" target="_blank">Immanuel Kant</a>:</p>
<p><strong><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">&#8220;Just as Kant asks a person to test the principle of his or her conduct by asking whether it could without contradiction be made a universal law for all human beings, so Williams&#8217;s critique of the leaders of Massachusetts and Connecticut is that their idea cannot pass a test of that sort: they love freedom&#8211;but only for themselves.&#8221;</span></em></strong></p>
<p><strong><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">&#8220;For both, the source of moral principles, and of all moral worth, is ultimately in our own freedom, and that freedom must be respected.&#8221;</span></em></strong></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not convinced, though it&#8217;s an interesting connection to make in the wake of the Iraq war: Freedom is a universal idea, yet how one pursues that idea can be taken into account, and potentially meet such moral maxims (if only it were that simple).  Nussbaum goes on to contrast <a href="http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/locke/" target="_blank">John Locke</a> with Roger Williams, and points out how Williams was more sympathetic to the idea that:</p>
<p><strong><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">&#8220;&#8230;different religious doctrines meet and overlap in a shared moral space. Each religious person will connect this moral space to his own higher religious goals and ends; but within that space we are all able to speak a common language and share moral principles. As I have argued, this idea of overlap is ultimately more fruitful than the idea of separation.&#8221;</span></em></strong></p>
<p>But upon what moral principles?  I&#8217;m hoping it&#8217;s more than the <a href="http://www.unc.edu/~prinz/" target="_blank">Jesse Prinz&#8217;s</a> recent work (deep arguments for morality based on the emotions, but also a Nietzschean extremism and defense of moral relativism).  Nussbaum has done a lot here, and while I don&#8217;t share her political views, I very often respect the depth of her thinking.  </p>
<p><strong>Related On This Site</strong>:  <a rel="bookmark" href="http://chrisnavin.wordpress.com/2008/07/06/martha-nussbaum-in-dissent-violence-on-the-left-nandigram-and-the-communists-of-west-bengal/"><span style="color:#b54141;">Martha Nussbaum In Dissent–Violence On The Left: Nandigram And The Communists Of West Bengal</span></a>&#8230;<a rel="bookmark" href="http://chrisnavin.wordpress.com/2008/04/01/martha-nussbaum-on-eliot-spitzer-at-the-atlanta-journal-constitution/"><span style="color:#b54141;">Martha Nussbaum On Eliot Spitzer At The Atlanta Journal-Constitution</span></a>&#8230;<a rel="bookmark" href="http://chrisnavin.wordpress.com/2008/07/30/another-note-on-jesse-prinzs-constructive-sentimentalism/"><span style="color:#b54141;">Another Note On Jesse Prinz’s “Constructive Sentimentalism”</span></a>&#8230;and what to do with the Native Americans?:  <span style="color:#b54141;"><a rel="bookmark" href="http://chrisnavin.wordpress.com/2008/04/22/roger-sandall-marveling-at-the-aborigines-but-not-really-helping-3/">Roger Sandall: Marveling At The Aborigines, But Not Really Helping?</a></span></p>
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		<title>From The NY Times:  Review Of Christopher Caldwell&#8217;s Book “Reflections on the Revolution in Europe: Immigration, Islam, and the West”</title>
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Book found here. 
A lot of the discussion I&#8217;ve seen about Muslim immigration to Europe as much involves the anti-multiculturalist crowd (from reasonable voices to shrill doomsayers) as it does the problems on the ground, which are quite real.  Usually, it&#8217;s the politically, economically, and [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=chrisnavin.wordpress.com&blog=1212474&post=3215&subd=chrisnavin&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
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<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0385518269" target="_blank">Book found here.</a> </p>
<p>A lot of the discussion I&#8217;ve seen about Muslim immigration to Europe as much involves the anti-multiculturalist crowd (from reasonable voices to shrill doomsayers) as it does the problems on the ground, which are quite real.  Usually, it&#8217;s the politically, economically, and socially conservative who have been the most vocal, lamenting the hold on public opinion and sentiment such a problematic set of ideas has had.  Of course, Caldwell goes a little deeper than that, and of course so do the problems and conflicts that can result.</p>
<p>A few quotes:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;">&#8220;The most chilling observation in Mr. Caldwell’s book may be that the debate over Muslim immigration in Europe is one that the continent can’t openly have, because anyone remotely critical of Islam is branded as Islamophobic&#8221;</span></em></strong></p></blockquote>
<p>Remember the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jyllands-Posten_Muhammad_cartoons_controversy" target="_blank">Dutch cartoonists</a>?  Some of them were perhaps irresponsible,even inflammatory, but that was probably no less a time to offer up a reasonable and principled liberal defense of their right to publish.  </p>
<p>Also:</p>
<blockquote><p><em><span style="text-decoration:underline;"><strong>&#8220;For Mr. Caldwell, the fundamental issue is also, more centrally, about irrevocable societal transformation</strong></span></em>.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Is it irrevocable?  Is the idea of democratic liberalism incompatible with Islam?</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve read the book, please share your thoughts.</p>
<p><strong>See Also On This Site</strong>: <a style="text-decoration:none;color:#b54141;border:1px solid white;" rel="bookmark" href="http://chrisnavin.wordpress.com/2009/05/12/from-youtube-roger-scruton-on-religious-freedom-islam-atheism/">From YouTube: Roger Scruton On Religious Freedom, Islam &amp; Atheism&#8230;</a><a style="text-decoration:none;color:#b54141;border:1px solid white;" rel="bookmark" href="http://chrisnavin.wordpress.com/2009/06/18/from-the-middle-east-quarterly-via-a-l-daily-europes-shifting-immigration-dynamic/">From The Middle East Quarterly Via A &amp; L Daily: Europe’s Shifting Immigration Dynamic</a></p>
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<p>Theodore Dalrymple argues that France has the potential to handle Muslim immigration better because of its ideological rigidity, which can better meet the ideological rigidity of its Muslim immigrants&#8230;<a style="text-decoration:none;color:#b54141;border:1px solid white;" rel="bookmark" href="http://chrisnavin.wordpress.com/2008/05/24/theodore-dalrymple-still-attacking-multi-culturalism-in-britain/">Theodore Dalrymple Still Attacking Multi-Culturalism In Britain</a></p>
<p>How do you reasonably deal with relativism anyways?: <a style="text-decoration:none;color:#b54141;border:1px solid white;" rel="bookmark" href="http://chrisnavin.wordpress.com/2009/04/20/from-virtual-philosophy-a-brief-interview-with-simon-blackburn/">From Virtual Philosophy: A Brief Interview With Simon Blackburn</a></p>
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		<title>From The Middle East Quarterly Via A &amp; L Daily:  Europe&#8217;s Shifting Immigration Dynamic</title>
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Our author points out that immigration policies have opened the door for a continuing stream of people in Europe, people who are still arriving.  She argues these policies and many European laws have created too easy a haven for them, perhaps even detracting from a truer spirit of Western human rights and refuge. [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=chrisnavin.wordpress.com&blog=1212474&post=2964&subd=chrisnavin&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
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<p>Our author points out that immigration policies have opened the door for a continuing stream of people in Europe, people who are still arriving.  She argues these policies and many European laws have created too easy a haven for them, perhaps even detracting from a truer spirit of Western human rights and refuge.   At their worst, such policies do little to prevent immigrants from maintaining their own religious beliefs, cultural practices and languages of origin (often in ghettoes, which is arguably the greatest moral failure here).  They also devalue the deeper reasons immigrants come in the first place. </p>
<p>The problem poses a sort of identity crisis for many European societies, as well as many real and serious sources of social and political conflict.</p>
<p>I would argue that our author wants to keep in mind some of the same ideals that Roger Scruton does (marriage, the role of the church, the moral depths of religious thinking) and their influence on the institutions that can maintain those freedoms and reasons. </p>
<p>On that note, Scruton doesn&#8217;t necessarily jump into bed with the hard European right (where violent nationalism and racial identity lurk), but he finds the current public sentiment and an excessive multi-culturalism driving public policy and law-making to not be sufficient in handling the problem.</p>
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<p>Though continuing further&#8230;there is an argument in this article (and in some of Scruton&#8217;s thinking) that leads back to religious idealism, and perhaps doesn&#8217;t do enough to avoid a confrontation between say&#8230;Christian/Jewish religious idealism and Islamic religious idealism.</p>
<p><strong>Addition:  </strong>I should add that the goal is not to prevent immigrants from maintaining their own religious beliefs, cultural practices, and languages, but to give them good reasons to adopt those of their chosen countries.   Some policies may serve the ideological interests of some citizens, but do little to help the actual immigrants integrate.  Another fault line where such tension can be observed could be in Sarkozy&#8217;s recent statements to ban the full body Muslim garments worn by a few women in public. </p>
<p><strong>See Also On This Site</strong>:  <a style="text-decoration:none;color:#b54141;border:1px solid white;" rel="bookmark" href="http://chrisnavin.wordpress.com/2009/05/12/from-youtube-roger-scruton-on-religious-freedom-islam-atheism/">From YouTube: Roger Scruton On Religious Freedom, Islam &amp; Atheism&#8230;</a><a style="text-decoration:none;color:#b54141;border:1px solid white;" rel="bookmark" href="http://chrisnavin.wordpress.com/2008/06/30/low-european-birth-rates-in-the-ny-times-no-babies/">Low European Birth Rates In The NY Times: No Babies?</a></p>
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We&#8217;re discussing libertarianism here, so what about a libertarian opinion on Sonia Sotomayor?
Wasn&#8217;t she letting her guard down a little, giving the La Raza crowd a bit of what it wanted?
Point taken, but the argument isn&#8217;t so impressive.

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<p>We&#8217;re discussing libertarianism here, so what about a libertarian opinion on Sonia Sotomayor?</p>
<p>Wasn&#8217;t she letting her guard down a little, giving the La Raza crowd a bit of what it wanted?</p>
<p>Point taken, but the argument isn&#8217;t so impressive.</p>
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A few key arguments Scruton makes:
1.  The drive to expunge religion from public life in America is, in some cases, being pursued with a zeal that is not un-religious.  It is a largely unreasonable interpretation of the no-establishment clause.
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<p>A few key arguments Scruton makes:</p>
<p><strong>1.</strong>  The drive to expunge religion from public life in America is, in some cases, being pursued with a zeal that is not un-religious.  It is a largely unreasonable interpretation of the <a href="http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/estabinto.htm" target="_blank">no-establishment clause</a>.</p>
<p>I would even suggest that the argument allows that if such secularists are successful, they could open the door to government bloat (after all, welfare is given out for moral and moralistic reasons) if the church were gotten out of the way.    </p>
<p><strong>Against this</strong>,  I think many reasonable people would say that they just want to keep religion out of politics for the sake of both, and that they&#8217;re not attacking religion per se, but merely adhering to a reasonable interpretation of the no-establishment clause.  Scruton is casting light on the zealots here.  Religious belief however, especially Christian belief in the U.S., really isn&#8217;t going anywhere.</p>
<p><strong>2</strong>.  Scruton also argues that under the banner of secular multiculturalism, the extremely intolerant views of some Muslims, and the religious idealism of most Muslims (and all true religious believers) has found too free a home in Britain.  For Scruton, the development of secular society and the rule of law is perhaps a uniquely Christian phenomenon (he makes the <a href="http://www.city-journal.org/2009/19_1_the-west.html" target="_blank">argument here</a>).   The Christian doctrines that laid such groundwork are conveniently bashed while Muslims pour in from societies without such rule of law and a pretty frightening idealism (how much of this is due to being an immigrant is worth examining).  </p>
<p><strong>One criticism</strong> I&#8217;d have against this view is that it&#8217;s uniquely British.   The tension between the British left (with more embedded socialist and Marxist groups) and the Church of England&#8217;s once dominant influence is arguably the kind of set-up the framers of the Constitution wanted to avoid here in America.   Obviously, socialism and Marxism came later and the argument would need to be further developed, but in returning to the doctrines of the church, strengthening Christian faith and submitting the individual will to the church are we finding the best way forward?</p>
<p>Philosophically, how do you justify the existence of God?</p>
<p><strong>See Also On This Site</strong>: <a rel="bookmark" href="http://chrisnavin.wordpress.com/2009/04/12/2566/">From The City Journal: Roger Scruton On “Forgiveness And Irony”/</a><a rel="bookmark" href="http://chrisnavin.wordpress.com/2009/03/21/roger-scruton-in-the-american-spectator-the-new-humanism/">Roger Scruton In The American Spectator: The New Humanism/</a><a rel="bookmark" href="http://chrisnavin.wordpress.com/2009/05/08/repost-martha-nussbaum-channels-roger-williams-in-the-new-republic-the-first-founder/">Repost: Martha Nussbaum Channels Roger Williams In The New Republic: The First Founder</a></p>
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